Can I get some time at that ranch even if you've never seen my rage beforehand?
Can I get some time at that ranch even if you've never seen my rage beforehand?
You're a real fucking jerk. But today is your lucky day, friend. Email me for rates to attend my anger management sessions. 18 and older, please.Originally Posted by aenemaTron
My final words on the subject (until I get riled up by something later and respond with more heated discussion):
I like Kyle Cease's comedy, he seems like a nice guy and I do believe that he really means well with this whole Comedy Boot Camp thing even if myself and many others here don't agree with that approach to comedy. If there are people who feel they can get something useful out of Kyle's boot camp, and there are, then good for them.
Kevin Cease was way out of line, taking a comment I made way too seriously and then proceeding to ignore my actual argument and threaten my future in the world of comedy. He is the only one I really have a problem with in this whole situation. I don't think any of the others who chimed in on that Facebook thread are at fault - though they said some dumb things, it's that whole "cult of personality" thing that was already brought up. Plus, I said plenty of dumb things myself.
15 years from now when I'm headlining Bat Mitzvahs (those are the ones for girls, and are harder to book than Bar Mitzvahs), maybe I'll have the good fortune of having someone make a snide comment to me on Facebook (or whatever the future equivalent is) and my brother will tear them a new asshole (he is kind of a dick, I wouldn't put it past him.)
Alec I'm going to say bad things about you now so that the reaction in 15 years will have accrued interest. Fuck you, Foghat!
So, to answer your original question Two2Coins2, yes. You should have Kyle Cease come to UNC.
Imagine this is really clever and really funny.
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If you want to gain more insight into Kevin Cease, there are a few Carolla podcasts with Frank Stallone as a guest.
I disagree with your sentiments vis a vis criticism stemming from jealousy and would like to strike your face with my fist accordingly!
If you want to get more insight into Kevin Cease, stare at an 8 x 10 glossy close-up of a shitting asshole for four hours while listening to wacky fart sounds and Jerky Boys tapes on a continuous loop. Or visit your local library and ask the librarian to show you to the "pathetic jerkoff brothers of marginally successful people" section. *walks off whistling the Reading Rainbow theme song*
I'm a comedy fan, so I'm not trying to be anything and I could care less about bridges. And I think the Boot Camp thing is really unnecessary for anyone who is truly funny, and the videos are painful to watch. If you put something out there, people will have opinions on it.
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I love the assumption that a deeply personal craft (when done well) is something that can be workshopped to death by "headliners" ... Stand up takes time to develop your own voice. You learn how to do it by going on stage. You advance in the business by getting better.
Anyone who tells you they can help make you funny is an asshole trying to take money from you.
In closing... Get the fuck over yourselves, Cease brothers.
Last edited by TimBuktu; December 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM.
Chucksteak is not banned. That makes me sad.
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HI! I am just gonna run through these few things here and then split.
1. I never threatened him. I was giving him advice when I said never talk shit about people in the industry, especially online. Then i talked about a huge comedian who did and was banned from a major club chain. I said, it's not about opinions, its about being professional and having etiquette and taking that into consideration.
I felt he wasn't understanding the point kyle made, and then i felt he was proving Kyles point. So, if anything, i was truly trying to help him get a different perspective on the whole thing. When I said you would be banned from clubs and bookers, i was talking about actions that could be taken by other owners and bookers. I know this because i hear and see it all the time. People like Andy Kindler and David Cross can fill a room and are already established, so that is different. They don't care because they are already where they want to be. I'm not saying don't make fun of other comics, that's your prerogative. The people who aren't established can cause problems in their future when they start talking publicly about people who are in the industry, thus harming only themselves. Word spreads really fast between comics, and it spreads even faster between club owners. These are all the people who can help you. This was a point i was trying to make, and it truly came from a place of trying to help him realize this, because it is the truth. Maybe it wasn't worded clearly enough. But the irony of the comment being made towards a quote that was directed to that same energy of course would create a response. I don't feel i did anything wrong, and felt that he understood at the end, but I guess not, so there was a mis understanding. You can also see i tried to calm everyone down at the end and accepted his apology. I felt this was a personal attack on my brother that was a little out of line, which hey, if he wants to do that its ok. Just be prepared for comments to come back. You cant just say shit, expect nothing back, and then say I'm a dick for defending something I felt he misunderstood while attacking my bro. Well, technically you can do whatever you want, I don't care. If you feel strongly about something, by all means, I 100% respect saying what you want to say, and if you really don't care about how people are going to take it, i am all for that really and truly! I do the same thing as you can clearly see, I speak out and say how i feel. But one thing i talk about is just being a decent and good person professionally, and going beyond what people expect. Club owners and big comics don't care how new comics feel, they will replace you in a heartbeat if you aren't showing respect to their community because there is a thousand more ready to take your place. This is a reason some comics just don't make it, they trip over themselves before they even get a chance to get anywhere, and I think it's important people hear this who want to or people who could learn from it who are trying to start.
2. The comment he made was just saying he wanted to punch him. Then when i respond, i am taking his "light hearted comment" too far? He put him down on a friend of his and mines facebook page. So naturally, there are going to be comments made, and he rebutted, thus this was spawned. I don't feel i was out of line, if he wants to make comments about not only my family, but to his friends, expect a response. And if i am expected to take these comments lightheartedly, which really i dont even care about, then he should take mine the same way. Plus, I come to this site and see MAJOR shit talking all over. I responded to a put down, and a lot of people here are just talking with a lot of anger that comes from a place i don't quite understand. And I am all about having an opinion, but a lot of what i see here is just name calling, so I assume many of these people are young and immature.
3. I truly want to see people who want to succeed in their life actually reach their goal. My goal is to help others who want help to get there. It is fulfilling to me. I'm not here to have a war with everyone. I just want to offer advice, which is what i felt i was doing. I feel I can do allot for people who want the help. If they don't, fine. But why all the anger? Isn't that somewhat of a roadblock if your not established? I'm just saying it could make things more difficult, so be prepared for that if that's what you want to do, because that is the reality of things.
5. (I deleted #4) I feel some of our video's don't necessarily portray the boot camp event very well except the last one and maybe 1 other trailer. It's hard to make a video that combines all 5 days and portrays it in a balanced and truthful way, but I am doing my best. We are pulling all our videos and website down, since I feel the website doesn't represent the event well enough, and we will have a new one posted along with new videos and announcements Jan. 1st or 2nd hopefully if things go well.
I think my intentions, and the intentions of the people running this event are to help people who are tired of struggling in the industry for different reasons, and people who are just starting. This isn't about teaching a form of art and the steps to telling a joke, its about learning how others became successful, meeting these people, getting intimate with them, and learning what they are sick of hearing and seeing, plus, they give notes on material and all this other stuff which is awesome and impossible to get regularly. Plus how to get in with industry and how to give them what they expect. Boot Camp is trying to offer a solution for something that isn't really happening right now that we know of, and we are getting good results, so we are going to pursue it to the highest degree, and I truly respect everyone's opinion here. I have countless times seen unsuccessful comics standing outside of clubs just living in a world of negativity, talking bad about other comics and clubs, and then complaining how their not getting enough work. I feel people expect the world to do them a favor, when they can make a little adjustment and become so much more. The negativity keeps a lot of comics from getting to the next level and then, i see them give up and not be happy with their choice deep down. I want to see the change here and help people grow and thrive on what they love to do, tell their art and story on stage and make money at it! What else could be better than that?
also, TimBuktu wrote "I love the assumption that a deeply personal craft (when done well) is something that can be workshopped to death by "headliners" ... Stand up takes time to develop your own voice. You learn how to do it by going on stage. You advance in the business by getting better."
I hear this said countless times at the events. This is obviously something that is the truth.
I must say, the fact that there are people on different sides about this event, proves to me that the event is on the right track because what good would it be if the reaction was just a neutral wash?
Thats all i have to say about that. Good night everyone!
Last edited by KevinCease; December 21, 2009 at 8:54 PM.
My goal has been to make fun of you and your brother. Thank you for helping me reach that goal with very little effort on my part!3. I truly want to see people who want to succeed in their life actually reach their goal. My goal is to help others who want help to get there.
Im here for you bro
Kevin, (Cease)
Anyone in the family have a name beginning with a "D"?
Just curious,
Tek
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Alright.
Just to bring the offending quote back for a reminder:
"People who aren't successful love to talk bad about people who are. That way they can justify why they chose to fail." - Kyle Cease
I disagree with Kyle's quote, and I still do. The problem is, as discovered through the argument on Facebook, I misinterpreted it from how Kyle originally intended it to be heard. HOWEVER... I still can't find a single way for this quote to bear any real validity to me, despite any perspectives I take to look at it.
Success may have once been a surefire sign of quality work in the person who earned it, but in this day and age where almost anyone can become famous there's just no way that can be true anymore. Success does NOT mean the person in question is free from all criticism, and that anyone who dares to criticize them is simply a jealous failure.
That is an AWFUL thing to be spouting off, especially en masse at a group motivational seminar about stand-up comedy. The quote has all the signs of a misguided attempt at steering people in the right direction, which means it's at least well-intentioned.
And hell if I'm going to shoot down the Comedy Boot Camp. I totally disagree with the idea of the whole thing, but there are plenty more people who would lunge at the opportunity and are much better off for it. My friend Halli, for one, is a great example. He's off to a fantastic early start on the comedy scene in L.A. when I was just watching him perform for the first time last spring. He started doing stand-up after me and he's already miles ahead of me, and I'm sure he certainly owes a lot of that to Kyle and his help.
I'm very happy for him, but that is NOT the route I would ever choose to take. In fact, the idea of going that way disgusts me, but Halli is a different person and it he's all the better for it. For every person that hates one thing is another who loves it. I will never be able to say that my line of thinking is the right way of thinking - nobody in the history of mankind will EVER be able to say that.
So.
Back to the quote.
I disagreed with it enough to want to make a comment. I made a dumb jab about wanting to punch Kyle Cease in the face, not thinking anyone actually cared to have me elaborate, let alone think that Kyle's brother would immediately respond.
I do not like the way Kevin handled the situation one bit, but I'm not any happier with the way I handled it. The internet is probably one of the worst-suited places for heated arguments... well, it's EXTREMELY well-suited for heated arguments, but it's so well-suited that it's nearly impossible for anybody to ever win one. Or win one fairly. This was a dumb thing to get dragged into and in the best case scenario I would have much preferred to sit and talk in person to Kyle and Kevin over a nice steak about our differing views on how to approach comedy. Of course, I can't afford to go to any nice steak restaurants and Kyle is busy rousing up the next generation of comics, so Facebook had to make do as a placeholder.
I don't regret the argument, and I don't regret re-posting it here on AST because I relish a healthy debate. This, however, has turned more into a series of personal attacks and haphazard defenses.
I said earlier that I wish I didn't back down so fast during the Facebook argument I had with Kevin, and that still holds true. I have my own mind-set, and Kevin has his. I should have respected him a bit more and vice versa. Regardless, it's for the best that I did because it would've just kept going on forever otherwise. We're all going to have to agree to disagree here because the same thing is already happening and even though we got a great discussion out of it with plenty of drama, it's probably time for it to end.
In the now-famous words of Kevin Cease: "well im burned out now im gonna go get drunk."
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