Politics!

[Keith Whitener]

You could only call it pro-fetus murder if it was aborted during the 9th or 11th week of pregnancy (I am unsure which.). Before then it would be Clump of Cells Murder. And people who are pro-choice don't think abortions are fantastic things that everyone should get, but, rather, that they are a thing that one should be able to choose to get if they so please. It is the choice that is being contended and it is the choice that anti-choicers are against. They do not want you to have an abortion conducted in a medical office as a choice. Instead, back alleys or coat hangers are preferred.

[ProfessorShutYoMouth]

Please don't call it pro-choice. You are being manipulated every time you use that phrase. No one who is pro-life is simply anti-choice. Call it for what it is: Pro-Fetus Murdering

Since when is murdering fetuses such a bad thing?

You are way too politically correct.

[Kentock]

You could only call it pro-fetus murder if it was aborted during the 9th or 11th week of pregnancy (I am unsure which.). Before then it would be Clump of Cells Murder. And people who are pro-choice don't think abortions are fantastic things that everyone should get, but, rather, that they are a thing that one should be able to choose to get if they so please. It is the choice that is being contended and it is the choice that anti-choicers are against. They do not want you to have an abortion conducted in a medical office as a choice. Instead, back alleys or coat hangers are preferred.

I think the basic point is that you should grant your opponents a certain measure of respect. I think that includes referring to them by what they believe they are for than by what you believe they are against.

Agree or disagree, you have to at least acknowledge that the pro-life movement is sincere in its attempt to preserve life, as it defines the concept.

[DiscoInferiorityComplex]

Since when is murdering fetuses such a bad thing?

You are way too politically correct.

I never said is was bad. I'm actually not that upset about parents murdering toddlers (up until the point they can beg for their lives).

[Keith Whitener]

I think the basic point is that you should grant your opponents a certain measure of respect. I think that includes referring to them by what they believe they are for than by what you believe they are against.

While that is an excellent point, one has to take into consideration that pro-life is not a value neutral term. It conjures up the image that one's opposition is anti-life, and that would certainly be an unpopular camp. It's like someone saying they're pro-troops instead of pro-war.

[NFox]

I think the basic point is that you should grant your opponents a certain measure of respect. I think that includes referring to them by what they believe they are for than by what you believe they are against.

Agree or disagree, you have to at least acknowledge that the pro-life movement is sincere in its attempt to preserve life, as it defines the concept.

That has to be one of the smartest things written in this entire thread. I think it is an important lesson to remember not just as it applies to abortion, but also as it applies to politics in general. Define your position and defend it, don't try to build your own position up by breaking down and redefining others. It is that mentality that has lend to the unbearable amount of mudslinging that constitutes a modern political campaign.

-Nick

[ProfessorShutYoMouth]

Define your position and defend it, don't try to build your own position up by breaking down and redefining others. It is that mentality that has lend to the unbearable amount of mudslinging that constitutes a modern political campaign.

-Nick

That's what I find remarkable about the McCain campaign - he has yet to consistently articulate what he is going to do while in office. All we see in the media from Republican operatives are attacks on Obama, and very little in the way of what McCain will be doing to clean up George Bush's mess.

I think McCain is too restricted by Bush operatives to really take him on and say "I know Bush was a failure and I am going to do something about it." Palin seems a bit more of a wild card and she has a history of taking on corrupt Republicans so we'll see if she goes that route or if she simply attacks Obama and Biden.

[Embiggen]

You have to admit, she's pretty damn cute. And never underestimate the voting power of nerds with naughty librarian fetishes.



I think Sas is right, though -- the very fact that McCain is letting Obama's campaign dictate the tack of his means he's already on his heels. Hopefully this mean's Obama's got it in the bag, and we can just relax and enjoy all the great political comedy that the next two months will bring.

[andrearunge]

Who wouldn't want to buy a condo from her?

[Hated Milk Machine]

Who wouldn't want to buy a condo from her?

haha this makes me laugh!

[JPSpaulding]

I'm just glad to see Hockey moms finally getting their day in the sun...

[yumitree]

I'm just glad to see Hockey moms finally getting their day in the sun...

i wonder if she's only going to get coverage on the versus network.

[JPSpaulding]

i wonder if she's only going to get coverage on the versus network.

To and Shay sir

I heard she does have a BA broadcasting and did some utility work for a news program in the sports department so she's officially more qualified then any one running the versus network

[Embiggen]

Why is Palin a hero for carrying her baby with Down Syndrome to term? She had that baby when she was what, 44? Wouldn't her age be the main reason why it has Down Syndrome in the first place?

[ChrisCubasATX]

Agree or disagree, you have to at least acknowledge that the pro-life movement is sincere in its attempt to preserve life, as it defines the concept.

Are they really though? I mean many of them, if not most, oppose abortion even when it is being performed to save the mothers life. Throw in their pro-death penalty and pro-war stances and at BEST they are pretty selective.

Now the Catholic church on the other hand... Those motherfuckers are pro-life. They are vocally opposed to anything that ends a life. (At least now, we'll ignore their silence during the slave trade and the holocaust.)

[rabbitandox]

Why is Palin a hero for carrying her baby with Down Syndrome to term? She had that baby when she was what, 44? Wouldn't her age be the main reason why it has Down Syndrome in the first place?

Usually that decision indicates a level of liberal thought, in that the parents refuse to buy into the stigma attached to Down Syndrome and are willing to grant a level of dignity to all persons, regardless of number of chromosomes.

But in Palin's case, it's also an advertisement of her feelings on abortion. It tells the staunch pro-lifers that even in a case where abortion was more easily justifiable, she decided against it.

So she's either a good liberal or a good evangelical (or both?). I can't tell yet.

[ericluxury]

You have to admit, she's pretty damn cute. And never underestimate the voting power of nerds with naughty librarian fetishes.

This will be my most piggish post, but what are you talking about Embig?

You'd think a country that this is not the same country that tsk-tsks Jennifer Love Hewitt for gaining 10 pounds over the course of 8 years.

compare:
vs.

Hillary is as pretty as Palin. And I don't say this as one of those people who thinks Hillary was ugly (thankfully there was less of that analysis this primary season than in previous years). I say it only as, get over it people.

Think about Palin vs. the average 44-year old lady and then think about Obama vs. the average 47-year old man. Obama is way handsomer than Palin is pretty.

[Famous Police Dog]

Why aren't we talking about the issues!

We should be talking about the issues!

[Embiggen]

Usually that decision indicates a level of liberal thought, in that the parents refuse to buy into the stigma attached to Down Syndrome and are willing to grant a level of dignity to all persons, regardless of number of chromosomes.

But in Palin's case, it's also an advertisement of her feelings on abortion. It tells the staunch pro-lifers that even in a case where abortion was more easily justifiable, she decided against it.

So she's either a good liberal or a good evangelical (or both?). I can't tell yet.

I think you're missing my point. Her decision to have a baby at 44 caused the Down syndrome in the first place. You can't cause the problem and then be a hero for dealing with it. I wasn't really addressing the abortion part of it as much as the bad decision-making to have a fifth baby at age 44.

[Embiggen]

...and this is more fun than talking about issues. Let's talk about McCain's first wife!